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7Nov/117

Vegetarians: Don’t Be Bad Guests

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The is a followup from my previous post: Confessions of a Vegan Meat-Eater

Written by Knigel Holmes

Eat what the locals eat. Eat the dog, pig, and cow. Eat the whale, seal, and urchin. Eat the scorpion, cockroach and larvae. Shun cultural arrogance, and instead of confining freedom to strict vegetarianism or religious food restrictions, open up to other cultures. Religion and moral righteousness are not valid excuses for not challenging one’s own cultural norms. Sharing food and participating in food culture is not simply a matter of politeness. No, breaking bread is a highly moral act because it brings cultures closer together. Rejecting food and generosity rejects the culture and is, therefore, a competing immoral act. The choice of vegetarianism, for example, is not inherently “right” or “wrong”, it is, however, mainly a decision from within more food secure nations and not ethically superior to the choice of an adaptive diet. Instead of alienating hosts, take part in local food culture, and consider temporarily relaxing dietary preferences.

Contrary to claims of moral superiority, the vegetarian diet is not inherently “good”. As far as we know, the diet is merely a preference among other ethical choices. Without evidence of a deity, we cannot claim to have any absolute wrong or right (Sinnott-Armstrong). Thus, our morality is human-centric. Beliefs of “right” and “wrong” stem from events that affect us as humans. For example, if given the choice between a fresh, ripe apple and a rotten, decomposing apple most would choose the fresh apple. Given that we have no evidence of an intrinsic morality, we can only design our own extrinsic morals. Since there is no certainty of one path of ethics, we can think of ethics in terms of moral landscapes with different peaks and drops. The moral landscape, says author Sam Harris, is:

A space of real and potential outcomes whose peaks correspond to the heights of potential well-being and whose valleys represent the deepest possible suffering. Different ways of thinking and behaving—different cultural practices, ethical codes, modes of government, etc.—will translate into movements across this landscape and, therefore, into different degrees of human flourishing. (Harris)

If vegetarianism is at a high peak of the moral landscape, so too is compromising between cultures. Each is moral on different landscapes. Moral relativism suggests that morals are relative to traditions, convictions, or practices (Gowans), yet these truth statements are so far epistemologically unknown. Normative relativism suggests an absolute cultural tolerance; however, instead of relying on this broken logic, we can instead criticise morals while negotiating higher ethical plateaus. Being able to judge other cultures with absolute certainty is so far impossible, yet we can make compromises. Uncompromising people ineffectively change those parts of another culture they think are ethically inferior. We do not have to eat something given to us, yet it is arguably a higher ethical choice to consider it.

Outsiders are less able to understand a foreign system. For example, Michael Ohlsson, once a vegan, now a connoisseur of strange meats, says that he appreciates “how the Chinese are generally closer to the source -- you pick out your fish from the restaurant tank and eat it off the bone. Most Americans freak out about this, uncomfortable with even thinking about where a slab of meat comes from” (Zimmern). Looking in on another culture from the outside gives only a superficial view that neglects understanding the reasons for how and why it became that way. Too often people assume that their own way of doing things is superior. Saying a culture is wrong before understanding why it does what it does leads to hasty generalizations, prejudice, and other logical fallacies.

Ethnocentricity and moral relativism both complicate balancing personal ethics with tolerating different cultures. Anthropophagy, for example, is perhaps the most difficult ethical dilemma between food and culture. The consensus seems to agree that humans eating humans is likely on a lower point in the moral landscape. Cannibalism is taboo in most cultures; however, not all. It is still impossible to say that anthropophagy is inherently wrong, so we must use reason to decide if the context is appropriate to join in on a human flesh meal. For example, the Fore Tribe of Papua New Guinea, until the 1950s, ate their dead relatives (Jamieson). Accepting a primate meal in this situation may still be ethically sound compared to participating in a cannibalistic culture that kills and eats its enemies as an intimidation tactic (Gerson). While it would be easier to have absolute morals, we instead have to use our judgment navigating these ethical situations. When in Rome, we do not have to do what the Romans do; however, it seems ethically superior to compromise between the culture and personal morality.

Furthermore, the choice of being vegetarian is mostly a dilemma of those countries that have enough food security reject food. While some less developed countries do sustain vegetarian diets they do depend on available food while less able to decide between diets. People eat what they can get when they have fewer opportunities. Author, traveller, and chef, Anthony Bourdain, opines that veganism “is a first-world phenomenon, completely self-indulgent” (Sheff). Veganism, in some situations, does seem self-indulgent, because while some less developed countries do have vegetarian populations, many people are vegetarian since they lack a choice. Similarly, pondering vegetarianism while in Africa, Ryan Brown explains:

In the U.S. I was vegetarian because I could be, because food was an on-demand commodity in my life and I lived with the knowledge that for the most part I could eat what I wanted when I wanted — and stop eating whatever I decided I didn’t want. But in that gaudy and out-of-place Thai restaurant in Dakar, I remembered that for most people, that particular luxury does not exist.

Vegetarianism itself is not a problem of the developed world, but the choice to be vegetarian is. North Americans, for example, come from an economy that supports a variety of diets, yet other countries are less food secure. To many deprived countries, meat is a luxury. Brown, goes on to say that “being vegetarian felt less ridiculous when it came weighted with the knowledge of exactly what it was: a choice. Vegetarianism wasn’t a matter of absolutely or an absolutely not. It is just the way I preferred to eat”. Vegetarianism is a preference that the wealthier have the privilege of choosing.

Luxury of the developed world is an argument against the political and economic system, not vegetarianism; however, when participating in a culture that does face hardship, it is a sign of friendship to join in with their culture. “My appetite,” says Brown, “could convey what my mouth constantly stumbled over: how grateful I was for the people who had welcomed me, for the kindness with which they had treated me and the magnanimous generosity they were endlessly displaying. And so I ate”. People from more economically developed countries have a choice to refuse eating food that they would rather not eat, but other countries do not. Refusing to eat the local foods shows an ungrateful arrogance. It is arrogance because it is looks down on foods that other people eat. Vegetarians, says Bourdain, “make for bad travelers and bad guests”, moreover:

The notion that before you even set out to go to Thailand, you say, “I’m not interested,” or you’re unwilling to try things that people take so personally and are so proud of and so generous with, I don’t understand that, and I think it’s rude. You’re at Grandma’s house, you eat what Grandma serves you (Sheff).

Not only do we close ourselves off from experience, we make value judgments when we suggest that something is not a food. When we say that something is “wrong” to eat, we are saying that those who eat it are also behaving wrongly. Omnivores who look down on other people for eating insects, dogs, frogs, or any other food are hypocritical and arrogant. While vegetarians seem to have a more coherent diet, this frowning down on what others consider to be food can be construed as haughty. If privilege gives a choice of refusing sustenance, it is a sign of arrogance when not letting go of that privilege while joining in on another culture. Brown mentions that he:

realized there was another ethic of eating that I was ignoring, one that said, “When people open their house and table and prepare food for you, you eat it. No quibbles.” How many times as a vegetarian, I thought, had I refused the food that was offered to me, out of generosity and hospitality, because I didn’t eat meat? I was suddenly and powerfully ashamed of this fact.

It is insulting to maintain privilege when people offer their own culture. If that society eats rats, and rats are disgusting to one’s own social norms, it seems unethical not to challenge those assumptions.

An adaptive diet helps solidarity because food is essential to culture and ethics. Merriam-Webster defines “culture” as “the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations”. According to this definition, cultural food rituals are some of the best examples of culture. Food culture is an art while also loaded with customs and beliefs. Of culture, food is perhaps one of the best for transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations. The argument that food is not culture is absurd. Ohlsson says that:

Food is the only true universal language. Whether you're uneducated, deaf or blind, and regardless of social class, you still appreciate food. I believe most introductions to foreign cultures is through food. And I think most common ground is found this way. Food is a necessity, but in every culture, there are dishes that are such an integral part of culture, of expression, of identity, they're elevated to an art form. (Zimmern)

Food is a major part of the human experience of sharing with others. Refusing to join in another culture’s traditions is certainly one of the lower points on the moral landscape. “I tried to get the dishes made without meat,” says Ohlsson, “but this humiliated my host and bewildered the restaurant staff who'd prepared dishes that are centuries old. I left feeling like a fool” (Zimmern). While culture does change, we must also have respect and understanding for culture. We all take part in transforming culture; however, some abuse unbalanced influence. “If someone’s serving you something,” says Bourdain, “and they’re proud and they’ve worked to prepare it, to decline would be a worse offense” (Sheff). To reject meat or other food because of one’s own taboo is to reject another’s culture. If someone asks us to wear their traditional clothing, take off our shoes going into their house, or speak their language it is an ethical duty to at least think about observing these traditions.

In the end, putting personal convictions aside while exploring other countries is an ethical choice. We have no certain morality, yet we can make compromises of ethics. When we are travelling, especially to less privileged countries, we have more responsibility to put our convictions on hold so that we can increase solidarity. Those coming from economically wealthier nations ought to humble themselves and not assume ethical superiority. While we rely on diametric thinking to simplify complexities, inflexible dogma lowers our ethics to lower depths. By adjusting ethical priorities, we can adapt to new situations. Instead of lecturing people in their own homes, we should save stubbornness for when we need it the most. In the end, you can maintain a diet that you believe more ethical while also relaxing it while travelling. Have your principles, but be a good guest.

 

 

Works Cited

Brown, Ryan. “Africa brought out the meat-eater in me” Salon.com. Salon. 24 Aug. 2010. Web. 30 Oct. 2011. http://www.salon.com/2010/08/23/africa_meat_eating/singleton/

“Culture”. merriam-webster.com. Merriam-Webster. Web. 30 Oct. 2011. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture

Gerson, Michael. “Africa’s Messiah of Horor” washingtonpost.com. The Washington Post. Web. 30 Oct. 2011. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/05/AR2008060503430.html

Gowans, Chris, "Moral Relativism", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Spring 2011 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.). Web. 30 Oct. 2011. http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/spr2011/entries/moral-relativism

Harris, Sam. The moral landscape: how science can determine human values. New York: Free Press, 2010. Print.

Jamieson, Alastair. “Brain-eating tribe could help find treatment for mad cow disease” Telegraph.com. The Telegraph. 19 Nov. 2009. Web. 30 Oct. 2011. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/papuanewguinea/6603676/Brain-eating-tribe-could-help-find-treatment-for-mad-cow-disease.html

Sinnott-Armstrong, Walter, "Moral Skepticism", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Spring 2011 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.). Web. 30 Oct. 2011. http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/spr2011/entries/skepticism-moral

Sheff, David. “Playboy Interview: Anthony Bourdain” Playboy.com. Playboy. 13 Oct. 2011. Web. 30 Oct. 2011. http://www.playboy.com/magazine/anthony-bourdain-interview

Zimmern, Andrew. “Michael Ohlsson of Weird Meat” andrewzimmern.com. Andrew Zimmern. 23 Oct. 2008. Web. 30 Oct. 2011. http://www.andrewzimmern.com/node/1065

 

Posted by Knigel

  • http://speciesistvegan.wordpress.com/ speciesistvegan

    Okay, I agree with this one much more. You’re keeping it confined to the situation at hand (traveling) and not trying to generalize it to life choices in general.

    However, I don’t think you’ve demonstrated why cultural tolerance and
    bending one’s values for that is a moral good. I believe that it is in a
    lot of ways, but all that proves is that you’re preaching to the choir.
    If you want to put it up there as a moral good that is in competition
    with veg*anism,
    I think it would behoove you to be more explicit as to why you think
    this is true. You’ve claimed that “breaking bread… brings cultures
    closer together,” but I don’t think you’ve really demonstrated it. I
    think it can bring individuals from different cultures together, no
    doubt, but whole cultures? If this is what you’re tying to say, you
    would do well to offer some evidence, even if it’s anecdotal.

    Also, if you’re going to be fair about this and not slip into a “western
    = bad, non-western = good” kind of thing, I think you should explore
    the flip-side of the traveling phenomenon: what do we, as hosts, owe our
    guests in the way of trying to respect their culture, values and
    ethics? Say you’re living in England and your friend tells you that he’s
    bringing over his friends for dinner to your place, and his friends are
    Muslim. Do you serve pork? If his friends are Indian or Buddhist, do
    you prepare all dishes with meat, or do you assume that there’s a decent
    chance that they could be vegetarian and take the time to serve some
    vegetarian dishes? Would you be offended if they declined? Why or why
    not? This also brings up the question of motivation: are
    religiously-prescribed food restrictions deserving of more or less
    respect than food restrictions done for ethical reasons? How about taste
    preferences?

    If you’re really going to explore the ethics of these situations, you
    can’t put all of the onus for correct action on the visitor, the guest.
    Surely the host has some responsibility, right? My culture surely says
    that we do, and I’m guessing yours does, too. What about these other
    cultures in Cuba, Korea, Guam, Dakar etc? Don’t you think they have
    ideas about what a host owes his guests? I’m guessing they do, even if
    they don’t jibe with what my culture says.

    All in all, this is vast improvement, in my opinion. Kudos.

  • http://increasingveganicity.blogspot.com LiseyDuck

    Since you mentioned cannibalism, I guess that makes the comment that was running through my head during your first paragraph appropriate. (This is kind of rare!) Were you to visit a culture where it was normal for humans to eat other humans, based on whatever criteria – enemies killed in battle, their own honoured dead, randoms captured somewhere, doesn’t really matter in this scenario – can you honestly say you would join in? You wouldn’t weigh up how disrespectful it would be to your hosts to politely decline versus how much you really do not want  (for whatever reason – we can put it down to the health angle rather than morality if you’d prefer) to eat part of a dead human?

  • Anonymous

    Hi, thank you for taking the time to read my article and give your insights. You have a good question. A question for which I do not have an easy answer. As I stated in my article, I do not think it would be ethical to participate in all cannibalistic culture. Some, in the right context, yes. I’m not a moral relativist. I think we have an obligation to criticise and change other culture that is harmful. The problem is that we do not have evidence of absolutes. We have to consider each context on its own and try to make the best judgement. I really do not mind rejecting food if I really don’t want to eat it. My point isn’t that we should eat everything no matter what. My point is that we should challenge ourselves to step out of our own cultural norms while also asking ourselves if our ethics are competing with other higher ethics.

    In the end, I’m not really saying that we should gorge ourselves on food with which we are uncomfortable. I’m suggesting people take a bite or two, thank the host, and carry on with whatever diet they wish to have.

    Remember also, I am arguing against moral absolute thinking styles, so I wouldn’t say any ethic applies to every situation.

    Kindness,
    Knigel

  • J. Sanders

    This article is interesting and certainly addresses the issue in a considered way, but would you really apply the same argument to every culture facing another? For instance, should a Muslim or Jew unhesitatingly eat pork served to them by a non-believer? Should an Ojibwe person, raised to believe drinking milk is despicable, force themselves to do so simply because someone who does not share that belief has offered it to them?

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for your comment J. Sanders. You bring up a point that I am specifically against. I am arguing against absolutes. I am not saying always accept or always reject. I’m arguing to pay attention to the context of the situation and competing ethics. If someone really doesn’t want to eat something, I wouldn’t force it on them. I would, however, debate them if it seemed that they were not challenging their own cultural norms.

    For religious beliefs, I would most certainly challenge them since religious beliefs are one of the strictest forms of cultural beliefs. If there is no evidence of a deity, then religious restrictions against certain types of food cannot be based on that idea alone. Religious reasons are not beyond questioning and criticism. If I am the host, I would respect my guests and prepare food that they want. If, however, I were Jewish going into an impoverished country and my hosts offered me some of their pork, I think I should eat a little.

    I think that I could have a reasonable conversation with an Ojibwe person about drinking milk to challenge their assumptions, yet I’m not sure if they should “force” themselves to drink it. There are foods that would be a challenge for myself as well. I do not think that I could eat everything offered to me. I would try, however, to question my hesitation.

    While I think that it is more ethical for everyone to challenge their food norms, I am specifically challenging scenarios in which there is an imbalance of economic power that results in food snobbery. I think that it is unethical to look down on other cultures when they have had more food insecurity. I think that it is more ethical for two economically balanced cultures to criticise the other’s food choices. It’s harder to criticise people for simply trying to survive and eating what they can get.

  • J. Sanders

    I certainly agree with your point about food snobbery and the arrogance of refusing food offered by people whose culture does not incorporate the idea of optional food refusal. I am vegetarian and I know that if I went to such a country, I would eat what I was offered. But when I went to Japan, I did my best to avoid meat products, although I was much more lenient than I am at home (ignoring broths, stocks, seasonings etc). Japan is wealthy enough that people’s misunderstanding of my beliefs is purely a cultural difference; people there would be able to make the same decision as me if they chose to.

    Just for the record, to restrict a spread of disinformation: the Ojibwe thing by no means applies to all or even most Ojibwe people living now. It’s something I was told was traditional by one person I met, but I do not believe most people observe it currently.

    Leaving aside scenarios such as that of a vegetarian refusing food in an economically poor country, I agree that encountering other cultures provides an excellent opportunity to question your own societal norms. But I disagree that it requires you to disregard your own values, especially if they are well-considered and not simply a practice you have adopted without thinking because it is what your people do. If someone came to my home and chose not eat X or do Y, I would do my best to respect that. I’d also want to learn why they choose to live that way, and perhaps (if it is appropriate) discuss why I do it differently.

    Encountering another culture can provide an excellent opportunity to compare, contrast and question without having to check your values at the door.

  • Anonymous

    You seem to have grasped exactly what I’m trying to get across. For me, if I were vegan again, I would perhaps flip a coin if a host offered me some animal products while visiting Japan. After I would simply be a vegan again. If possible, I might enter a dialogue with my host about food and ethics. If someone is feeding me with food they already have, there isn’t too much ethically wrong with that. They might have to buy more, but just eating a little bit to show respect isn’t going to influence that much. Thanks for your comments.